{"id":510,"date":"2009-09-02T13:29:58","date_gmt":"2009-09-02T20:29:58","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/deathgleaner.wordpress.com\/?p=510"},"modified":"2021-09-07T10:10:26","modified_gmt":"2021-09-07T17:10:26","slug":"why-other-people-really-hate-wikipedia-administrators-as-well","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/g-liu.com\/blog\/2009\/09\/why-other-people-really-hate-wikipedia-administrators-as-well\/","title":{"rendered":"Why other people really hate Wikipedia administrators as well"},"content":{"rendered":"

This post is part of a three-part series on the grievous deficiencies of Wikipedia administrators.<\/em><\/p>\n

I’ve been complaining recently about how much I hate Wikipedia’s administrators. When I wrote my first blog post here about why I really hate these admins<\/a>, all comments I got were against me. Well it turns out that all these comments were made by administrators trying to defend themselves. Guess what, admins? Other people hate you too. Here’s a blog post I found that highlights some of the fallacies of administrators on Wikipedia:
\nThis post first appeared on thewebservice.co.uk<\/a> under the title “The Problem with Wikipedia”, and was written by mrwebservice. It has been edited by Deathgleaner for use on this blog.<\/em><\/p>\n

Wikipedia sucks.<\/strong><\/h1>\n

Why do I say this?  Obviously I\u2019ve just had yet another bad experience with the self-professed Gods who \u201cmanage\u201d the encyclopaedia\u2026 but is this a case of sour grapes or evidence of a fundamental problem? One or even a few incidents and you get a little irritated, but a bizarre attitude seems to be endemic to Wiki\u2019s mods. So let\u2019s take a look at just why Wikipedia sucks quite so badly<\/strong>.<\/p>\n

Who wants to be a Wikipedia moderator?  Why would you want to do it?  How would you find the time?  Why would you be bothered?  Here are the reasons:<\/p>\n

    \n
  1. You want to contribute something of value to the human race: knowledge.  A noble thought.  But why not just contribute in the normal way?  Because you are a prolific contributor and want to feel a little important.<\/li>\n
  2. You have a burning hatred of \u201cspammers\u201d and pranksters who leave their trail of junk contributions and links wherever they go.  You fight the good fight and think of yourself as a crusader against spam.  And you have the badges on your profile page to prove it.<\/li>\n
  3. You have acres of spare time and don\u2019t know what to do with it.  You may be old or unemployed and debating on forums does not carry the import or weight of helping to manage the most used encyclopaedia in the world.<\/li>\n
  4. You have a personal agenda to follow and you need the power to carry it through.  Knowledge is power and you have the keys.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    \"wikipedia<\/a><\/p>\n

    Now, let\u2019s take a pinch of all these attributes and mix them together. What do we end up with?  I\u2019ll tell you what.  A trumped-up & twisted little troll so filled with their own self-importance they are about to explode<\/strong>.<\/p>\n

    The two breeds of Wikipedia Moderators<\/h2>\n

    In general, though, there are two types of Wikipedia moderator.<\/p>\n

    Wikipedia Moderator #1: the instigator with a vested interest<\/h3>\n

    This is maybe the most dangerous breed.  They have established a small reputation and perhaps following on Wikipedia through their collection of at best pedestrian and at worst moronic contributions.  For whatever reason they have staked out a claim on a small patch of Wikipedia and see it as \u201ctheirs\u201d.  They were there first.  Their material should stay.  They\u2019ve seen off countless spammers and weak revisions and are invincible.<\/p>\n

    \"wikipedia<\/a><\/p>\n

    These moderators will pounce on any revisions you make and systematically delete them.  They may even try and delete whole articles you\u2019ve written.<\/p>\n

    Wikipedia Moderator #2: the spam-hater with the itchy mouse finger<\/h3>\n

    Although the instigators are pretty depressing, I think it\u2019s actually these people that are the worst.  These moderators cycle through the whole of Wikipedia looking for things to delete.  Because they spend their time cycling through all the articles nominated for deletion, they don\u2019t really have any specialism (other than being a tenacious \u201ccrusader\u201d, with \u201cleft-wing\u201d views so potent they actually make Hitler look like a hobbyist)<\/p>\n

    These jumped-up jobsworths who were misinformed about their lineage can\u2019t comprehend what they\u2019re reading 99% of the time and are happy to just keep clicking away.  Delete-delete-delete.  They\u2019re doing everyone a service, after all.  Where would Wikipedia be without them?  It would be a seething link farm filled with \u201coriginal research\u201d and garbage.  Every time something is deleted, the moderator has brought some good back to the world.  The criterion for deletion is simple: if it\u2019s been nominated, rip it out.<\/p>\n

    Why the two breeds are bad for anyone with anything to say<\/h2>\n

    These two types of moderator work together.  Step one: the instigator with the vested interest notices you and starts causing problems.  Once the instigator has nominated something for deletion, or you\u2019ve got into an argument with him about something that\u2019s already been deleted, like some evil genie in a bottle, the spam-hater with the itchy trigger finger pops up.  If something\u2019s been nominated for deletion, \u201cclick\u201d goes the spam-hater, and it\u2019s gone.  They don\u2019t think twice.  They are crusaders, after all.<\/p>\n

    You can\u2019t Complain about Wikipedia Moderators<\/h2>\n

    Wikipedia is \u201cnot a democracy\u201d and there\u2019s no higher order to complain to when things go wrong \u2013 just a seething collective of no-hopers who have formed alliances and like nothing more than slapping these laughable phallic symbols all over the place:<\/p>\n

    \"wikipedia<\/a><\/p>\n

    That\u2019s right.  You want to play by the rules and you\u2019ve done your research.  Your revisions are accurate and you have the links to prove it; your article was neutral and you want to argue your case; you\u2019ve done your research and you actually followed Wikipedia policy<\/strong>.  The trouble is, all of these policies are open to considerable interpretation, and there are so many rules and guidelines that there will always be something to throw at you.  Remember, it\u2019s not about debate.  The decision has been made.<\/p>\n

    Wikipedia is essentially the biggest committee in the world.<\/h2>\n

    Wikipedia is a big committee<\/strong>.  And committees are crap<\/strong>.  Everyone knows that.  There are 1,614 admins on the English Wikipedia at the time of writing which is both a massive amount of people to be generating red tape and also a bizarrely minuscule number of people when you consider the millions of pages Wikipedia contains.  So we\u2019re really talking about the cream: the most mean-spirited, petty people on the planet.<\/p>\n

    Let\u2019s hunt down and destroy Wikipedia moderators<\/h2>\n

    I would like to hear of anyone and everyone\u2019s bad experiences of Wikipedia.  Perhaps we should all band together and form our own collective of Anti-Wikipedians.  Any Wikipedia moderators with an axe to grind can go elsewhere.  I have a rigid set of rules and guidelines in place and what that boils down to is I don\u2019t like Wikipedians and I will delete your comment and glue my own banners all over your smug, self-regarding faces.<\/p>\n

    \"wikipedia<\/a><\/p>\n

    — END RE-BLOG —<\/em><\/p>\n

    This post received many comments which cursed administrators. Here are just a few:<\/p>\n

    They don\u2019t give you reasons for deleting your content until you complain to them, and then it\u2019s usually some lame excuse, then if you do exactly what they say, THEY STILL DELETE YOUR CONTENT. I hate Wikipedia and I think it should burn.<\/p>\n

    So true, Wikipedia is full of Nazi\u2019s that\u2019s why I quit. Most of the vandalism is done by so called admins them selves, I post an article and they delete it (vandalism) saying we don\u2019t feel we need that. So if I write an article about something video games related a person who doesn\u2019t know anything about video games or the internet deletes it?<\/p>\n

    As a former Wikipedia contributor with 2K+ edits and 50+ created articles, I couldn\u2019t agree more with what you said! Looking back, the idea is fatally flawed.<\/p>\n

    I tried to put up a photo which i took myself and it was deleted using \u2018copyrighted\u2019 as a excuse. Copyrighted..? My own image..? That doesn\u2019t make sense. I even tried to edit one article by inserting only one sentence using \u2018credible\u2019 sources and yet what happens: deleted. I was surprised by how quickly deletions take place. This one was only a matter of minutes. Those people must stay glued to their screens 24\/7 looking to see if anyone has added anything so it can be deleted.<\/p>\n

    The criteria for using Wikipedia totally sucks. You have to do this; you have to do that; and, when you comply \u2013 there is another rule to follow.<\/p>\n

    If one of their people writes an article about YOU or your business, THEY get exclusive right to control the content. They also have a \u2018blocking\u2019 policy that prevents you from contributing if you threaten them with legal action. So, basically, they can totally misrepresent your source of income, possibly causing a loss of business, and then lock you out from complaining about it.<\/p>\n

    I had a run in with some today, it seems that they don\u2019t have to follow rules or guidelines, can make up their own rules on the spot and ban people who are trying to stop vandals (or for any other reason they like). i have been trying to stop vandals and have been banned for a day because of it\u2026the way the admins act completely defeats the point of having rules and guidelines to follow.<\/p>\n

    WIKI[PEDIA] is entertainment for losers without a job. It\u2019s not an open community, in fact, anything you add gets deleted or reverted by some looser admin who thinks it only goes his way.<\/p>\n

    Wikipedia began a rapid toboggan slide down a very slippery slope with the advent of moderation. It is ironic that moderators, putatively introduced to remove the bias (in addition to misinformation, poorly written content and spam) from Wikipedia, have instead replaced user-contributed bias with their own, moderator-contributed brand of heavy-handed chauvinism, pettiness and personal agendas.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    Exactly, administrators. It’s not just me, it’s all the regular users. Administrators, you have bashed us non-admins enough. You think you know everything. You think you’re perfect. You think the world revolves around you. You think of all this bullsh*t that’s not true, and when a regular user makes ONE TINY EDIT you just have to throw a bunch of stones at that user and mess with him\/her, don’t you? So follow the rules like everyone else does and quit being retards, you administrators.<\/p>\n

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